About the Author
Jenny Nordbak earned a B.A in Interdisciplinary Archaeology from the University of Southern California. After graduating, she spent two years leading a double life, working in healthcare construction by day, while secretly working as a Dominatrix at a dungeon in LA by night. Her memoir, The Scarlett Letters: My Secret Year of Men in an LA Dungeon (St. Martin’s Press, 2017), is a candid look into that time in her life. Jenny is an advocate for sex positivity and female empowerment. She writes the Stocks and Bondage column for Penthouse and has been featured as a sex expert on The Doctors. She contributes to Men’s Health and has appeared in numerous publications including Newsweek, Women’s Health, Cosmopolitan, and Redbook. She is currently working on developing her memoir for TV and finishing her next book, a romance novel. She lives in Los Angeles with her husband and children.

Ep. 55 Gail Carriger: The Omega Objection

We’re joined this week by the utterly charming Gail Garriger to talk about her fabulous books, her journey into romance, and her experiences as an archaeologist!

Thanks to everyone who has heeded our call from the Anniversary Episode and left us a review on iTunes (or wherever you listen!)—we appreciate it more than you know! Make sure you remember to shoot us an email ( to claim your reward(s)! If you haven’t done it yet, offer still stands!

  • A signed copy of Jenny’s book!
  • A custom limerick written about you by Sarah!
  • Name a character in Jenny’s column!

We’re also thrilled with our new Facebook group and loving being able to connect more with listeners, so if you haven’t joined yet, come be part of our Facebook club!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

You can find Gail on her website or follow her on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram!

Some highlights from our conversation include:

      • How little YA there was when we were growing up and how much better it’s getting
      • What it means to be a whale reader
      • How Soulless came about
      • How she got her start in publishing without an agent
      • Why she crossed over into self publishing
      • Our theories about who ends up doing archaeology and why there are so many who cross over into writing
      • Why Gail loves Middle Kingdom Egypt so much
      • Her friend “Smelly Cat”
      • How she has shifted gears to write contemporary M/M romance
      • All about The Omega Objection, her latest in the San Andreas Shifter series
      • How she drives readers crazy by making them wait for beloved secondary characters to get their love stories
      • How she’s behind on her latest book because she had to sign 10,000 copies of her books at once
      • How frustrated she gets when people dismiss romance
      • “I am almost entirely composed of pet peeves!” -GC
      • “I read alot and I have strong opinions!” -GC

Books mentioned:

Arrow Trilogy by Mercedes Lackey

Judy Blume books

Sweet Valley High books

Paradox trilogy by Rachel Bach (Fortune’s Pawn is Book 1)

Soulless by Gail Carriger

Circe by Madeline Miller

Song of Achilles by Madeline Miller

The Omega Objection by Gail Carriger

Poison or Protect by Gail Carriger

The Suffragette Scandal by Courtney Milan

The Forgotten Beasts of Eld by Patricia A. McKillip

Books by Cat Sebastian

Books by KJ Charles

Books by R. Cooper

For Real by Alexis Hall

The Lightning Struck Heart by TJ Clune

Ep. 54 What We’re Reading: Anniversary Edition (#5)

It’s our one year anniversary, and we couldn’t be more honored that you’ve chosen to spend time with us and be part of this incredible journey! The show has grown into something much bigger than we could ever have hoped for a year ago!

We start this episode reflecting on the past year, sharing all the cool new Wicked Wallflowers stuff we’re working on, and then go into a discussion of the fabulous books we’ve been reading lately. Fair warning, wine was consumed during the recording of this episode!

We were overly ambitious when we recorded, and the website changes aren’t quite finished yet, but it should be all up, running, user friendly, and gorgeous by the end of this week, so keep an eye out!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

Wicked Wallflowers Club Updates!

  1. Join the Wicked Wallflowers Club Facebook Group!

We want to have a place where you guys can talk to each other and share the awesome stuff that you send us in messages, emails, and on Twitter right now! We’re terrified of Facebook, but are super excited to build a group where we can support each other and connect about books. In our group, you will probably be able to find anything from fantastic book recs to a beta reader. Click HERE!

2. We’ve rebranded!

Have you noticed our fancy new logo? We’re pretty excited about her! When we started out, we didn’t have a clear sense of our identity, but now we feel like it’s time that our logo feels a little more like our show. We’re also in the process of revamping the website, so keep an eye out in the next few days for those changes to be completed!

3. Sign up for our newsletter!

It’s taken us a year to get our shit together, but we’re finally ready to start sending out a monthly newsletter with all kinds of fun stuff! We’re planning on sharing updates, book recs, author spotlights, events, and more! Click HERE or go to our Contact page to sign up!

4. Please leave us a review on iTunes or the platform you use to listen! We have some hilarious rewards available if you shoot us an email at to let us know you did it! Options:

  • Signed copy of Jenny’s book, The Scarlett Letters: My Secret Year of Men in an L.A. Dungeon
  • Shout out on the podcast
  • Custom limmerick written by Sarah and shared on the podcast–seriously, please make her write so many of these!
  • Name a character in Jenny’s Penthouse column!

Life Updates

  • Sarah has finished another book and Jenny is Beta reading it! It’s a fantasy novel about a ruthless princess and Jenny is all about the lady rage so far!
  • Jenny spends alot of time at Petco. Like alot of time.


  • Duchess by Design by Maya Rodale
    • Historical that is incredibly timely and empowering
    • Both Jenny and Sarah absolutely adored it
    • Dresses with pockets, a Duke who is educated by the heroine about his privilege, marvelous sexual tension, and powerful feminism
  • Six of Crows by Leigh Bardugo
    • YA fantasy heist story that lives up to the hype
    • Hero is a glove wearing, cane wielding, antihero named Kaz…and he’s marvelous
    • The whole cast of characters is brilliant with wonderfully ass kicking, competent female characters.
    • Not everyone is white and not everyone is straight…and that isn’t a thing, which was great.
  • For the Duke’s Eyes Only by Lenora Bell
    • James Bond meets female Indiana Jones on a quest to recover the Rosetta Stone
    • Lady Indy gives no fucks about the rules of society
    • Rochester is a spy pretending to be a drunken, useless Duke as part of his cover
    • Childhood friends to enemies to lovers with delightful pop culture references and witty banter
  • Kingdom of Ash by Sarah J. Maas
    • Final book in the Throne of Glass series
    • Epic world building and a fantastic conclusion to the series
    • Well done female friendships, love stories, and empowered female characters
  • Jane Doe by Victoria Stone
    • Feminist rage book of 2018
    • Sociopath named Jane plots the downfall of her only friend’s boyfriend who drove her to suicide
    • Psycho in the best way
  • Kill the Queen by Jennifer Estep
    • Gladiator meets Game of Thrones in which all the power players are female
    • Heroine survives a massacre of the entire royal family and finds her power and identity while hiding out with a gladiator troupe
  • Managed by Kristen Callihan
    • rock star romance with buttoned up, control freak hero
    • workaholic British band manager falls for sassy American social media manager
    • blistering sexual tension
    • “Spray that filth on the page and I’m gonna lap it up!” -SH
  • Sin and Ink by Naima Simone
    • Former MMA fighter tattoo artist falls for his brother’s widow
    • Lots of simmering sexual tension and smoking hot sex scenes
    • Heavy on the angst
  • Scoring With the Wrong Twin-Jenny has just started!
  • The British Knight by Louise Bay-Sarah is currently reading!
  • Burn Down the Night by Molly O’Keefe
    • Smoking hot story with a kickass proudly bisexual heroine
  • A Nordic King by Karina Halle
    • A widower, single father king of Denmark falls for the nanny
    • Navigates the power dynamics well
    • Sexytimes

Currently Reading:

Recs We’re Looking For:

  • Control freaks
  • Super sexy books (“explodey bangs”)
  • Paranormal romance

Ep. 53 Courtney Miller-Callihan: Literary Agent

We’re joined by literary agent extraordinaire, Courtney Miller-Callihan! She answers all of our burning questions about what it means to be a literary agent, how she became one, and why she loves it!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music


You can find out more about Courtney (or query her!) on her website or follow her on Instagram or Twitter!

Highlights from our conversation include:

  • How she got her start in the publishing industry
  • How and why she founded Handspun Literary
  • Why agenting is the most telecommutable job in the world
  • What an agent actually does!
  • What made her want to be an agent of all the jobs in publishing she could have chosen
  • How the books she represents are hugely representative of her personality
  • Why she hates the term “gatekeeper” for agents–she prefers curator, which makes total sense!
  • How a new agent builds relationships and why those relationships matter
  • How she can get a read on editors based on what TV shows they watch
  • Some of the issues that the publishing industry is grappling with and what could help with them
  • Why she’s hybrid publishing friendly and how she handles clients who want to self publish
  • How she decides which clients to sign
  • A few agent horror stories
  • Job hazards of being an agent

Books mentioned:

One and Only by Jenny Holiday

Ep. 52 Kresley Cole and Gena Showalter

We’re joined this week by Kresley Cole and Gena Showalter, bestselling authors of some of our favorite books–and real life besties!  We talk about their upcoming projects, their tortured heroes, kickass heroines, and their epic friendship. You’ll find out about who wants to wear the other one’s skin, the literal shrines they have to each other, and why this game of Fuck/Marry/Kill has a shockingly high body count!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

To find out more about Gena, you can check out her website or follow her on Facebook,  Instagram. Or you can find Kresley on her website or follow her on Facebook or Instagram! Sign up for their newsletters!

Highlights and favorite quotes from the episode:

  • “Gena knows how to kill people REAL BAD!” -GS
  • All about Gena’s Gods of War series–spoiler alert, it contains lots of Alpha heroes!
  • How Gena is the heroine of all her books
  • Why Gena’s friends don’t piss her off
  • Why Gena’s new YA series called The Forest of Good and Evil is the hardest to write that she’s ever experienced
  • “I just want one fucking book to flow out of me!” -KC
  • “Let me inspire and excite you!” -GS
  • “It’s like going to war and battling for every word.” -KC
  • How the pressures of audience expectations impacts their writing and how they work past it
  • “When you’re writing, it’s like sanding wood and you can feel the grains that still need to be sanded.” -KC
  • How often there’s synchronisity between their separate projects
  • How their epic friendship began (“Can I lick your face?” “When is she going to lick my face?”)
  • “We are not a tasteful show!” -SH
  • Why writer jealousy is bullshit
  • “By God, you better fucking like your own product…or don’t sell it!” -KC
  • What it’s like writing a storyline that you know will disappoint fans
  • Kresley’s inspiration for the Arcana Chronicles and how she developed it
  • Their hilariously differing responses to killing characters
  • Gena and Kresley’s preferences when it comes to Kresley’s Gamemaker Trilogy
  • What’s coming next in the Immortal’s After Dark series!
  • “Twist our arm!”
  • The Gena shrine
  • “Can my game be Kill/Kill/Kill!?” -GS
  • “So it’s like a praying mantis situation?” -GS
  • “I want to incentivize them for good sex. Bring it or die!” -KC
  • “We emerge as the only survivors…with some very fond memories!”
  • That time they had too much to drink and got lost in Manhattan and ended up in a horse drawn carriage–with Cherry Adair.
  • “You’re my pilot fish ghost!?” -KC
  • “Don’t fuck it up, Cole.” -JN

Books mentioned in this episode:

Wicked and the Wallflower by Sarah MacLean

Shadow and Ice by Gena Showalter

Dreams of a Dark Warrior by Kresley Cole

Captain of All Pleasures by Kresley Cole

Alice in Zombieland by Gena Showalter

Poison Princess by Kresley Cole

Warrior’s Woman by Johanna Lindsey

Darkest Warrior by Gena Showalter

The Master by Kresley Cole

The Player by Kresley Cole

The Professional by Kresley Cole

Books by P.C. Cast

Books by Jill Monroe

Josh and Hazel’s Guide to Dating by Christina Lauren

Ep. 51 Maya Rodale: Duchess by Design

We’re joined by bestselling author, Maya Rodale! We discuss her outstanding new release, Duchess by Design…as well as how she started reading romance, some of the real historical inspiration for her books, why the Gilded Age is so awesome, feminism, and much more!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

To find out more about Maya, you can check out her website or follow her on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram.

Highlights from our conversation include:

  • Listen to Jenny fangirl over her love of Duchess by Design
  • The real historical people and places that inspired the book
  • How Maya was introduced to romance novels and how that led to her publishing a nonfiction book about romance: Dangerous Books for Girls: The Bad Reputation of Romance Novels Explained
  • Why a dress with pockets can change the world
  • What’s coming next in the series
  • What makes the romance genre so powerful and endlessly fascinating
  • How she started writing romance
  • How her husband reads and provides feedback on her books
  • Her amazing fantasyland workspace

Books mentioned in this episode:

Ep. 50 Shayla Black and Lexi Blake: Masters of Menage

We’re joined by Shayla Black and Lexi Blake! They are two bestselling, prolific authors who talk all about their gloriously filthy stories, their writing process, and a slew of random topics!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

To find out more about Shayla, you can check out her website or follow her on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. And Lexi on her website, Facebook or Twitter.

Highlights from our conversation include:

  • Their first experiences going to RWA.
  • How they met and starting working together as part of an accountability writing group and discovered that they were compatible.
  • How they accidentally predicted current events in their Perfect Gentleman series.
  • What their joint writing process looks like.
  • How the Masters of Menage series came about…tequila!
  • Why “traditional menage” felt limiting to them.
  • “Let’s take tropes and make them really dirty!”
  • “She starts a virgin, but it doesn’t last long.”
  • “We’ll just give you more cock. It’s fine.”
  • “He finally did give her his penis, in case you’re wondering…”
  • How their husbands are the backbones of their businesses.
  • How they juggle all their many writing projects.
  • How they deal with writer’s block when their schedule doesn’t have room for it.
  • How their Perfect Gentleman series came about and how they developed it.
  • “Those things can be slippery suckers!”
  • Pickles, clowns, and pranks!
  • Why they don’t want to survive the zombie apocalypse

Books mentioned:

Ep. 49 What We’re Reading #4 with Eva Moore

In this fourth edition of What We’re Reading, we’re joined by special guest Eva Moore! Eva is an author and admin of OSRBC (Old School Romance Book Club) on Facebook and one of the founders of a new book club on Instagram called Romanced by the Book.

How has everyone been? We’ve been rage baking and fantasizing about punching all the dicks. Seriously, guys. Group hug.

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

Recs we’re looking for:

  • Anything that smashes the patriarchyF/F romance

Life updates:

Sarah has been cat sitting and has started writing a new book (a science fiction Gothic romance!). Jenny took a whirlwind trip to Scotland to see family. Z got her first two teeth!

Books mentioned in this episode:

You can find Eva on Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter!

  • The Beyond Series by Kit Rocha
  • Gideon’s Riders by Kit Rocha
    • Sarah’s rage read/therapy
    • Sexy post apocalyptic series
    • All the characters are trauma survivors finding happiness, but the writing doesn’t linger on the trauma
  • Earth Bound by Emma Barry and Genevieve Turner
  • Disorderly Conduct by Tessa Bailey
    • Contemp cop romance
    • cute, funny, outside of Sarah’s normal reads, but she’s enjoying
  • Vicious by V.E. Schwaub
    • Not a romance–fantasy exploring villainy
    • X-Men-esque plot with two super genius characters who begin as friends and become arch enemies
  • Uprooted by Naomi Novik
  • Spinning Silver by Naomi Novik
    • Rumplestiltskin retelling
  • Six of Crows by Leigh Bardugo
    • Jenny will discuss in next WWR episode
  • Skullsworn by Brian Staveley
  • The Duke with the Dragon Tattoo by Kerrigan Byrne
    • Book one features a deeply tortured hero who escapes prison and assumes a dead boy’s name. The boy was not really dead. He’s found with amnesia and is the hero of this book
    • He wakes up in a mass grave with no memory of who he is
    • Feels like he doesn’t deserve the heroine who saves him and he fixates on her
  • Magic Harvest by Mary Karlik
  • Scoring the Player’s Baby by Naima Simone
    • 3rd book in the WAGs series
    • Heroine who wants nothing to do with football players after her asshole football player exhusband. Has a one night stand with the hero without knowing he’s a football player and ends up pregnant.
    • EVERYONE loves this book.
  • Cherish Me by Farrah Rochon
    • Set in Rome
    • Marriage redemption plot
    • “Loving, kind book”
  • Hold Me Down by Sarah Taylor Woods
    • BDSM romance
    • Other people have called it one of their best books of 2018
    • Sexy, hot hero,
    • Angsty
  • Truth or Beard by Penny Reid
  • A Crown of Bitter Orange by Laura Florand
    • Set in the south of France in perfume territory
    • Cousins trying to hold on to the family land, family grows flowers and produces perfume
    • Follows youngest cousin, Tristan, who does adventure sports and is dismissed by everyone but has a phenomenal nose
    • Falls for woman who comes for a line of traitors to his family
    • Only one who really sees him for who he is
  • A Duke by Default by Alyssa Cole (check out our interview with Alyssa!)
    • Silver fox Scottish swordsmith hero
    • Heroine with ADHD who underestimates herself
    • Super sexy consent
  • A Girl Like Her by Talia Hibbert
  • The Kiss Quotient by Helen Hoang
  • Long Shot by Kennedy Ryan
    • Dark, heavy, but super powerful story that revolves around domestic violence
    • Empowering
    • Set in the world of the NBA
  • Block Shot by Kennedy Ryan
    • Enemies to lovers sports romance
    • Kennedy Ryan is a fucking goddess
    • There are writers who push me to be better. And then there are writers like Kennedy Ryan who make me want to stop writing because I will never be that good!”
    • Curvy heroine grappling with insecurity
  • Single Malt by Layla Rayne
    • Three book series that follows the same couple
    • Eva trusts her implicitly to pick her back up after she’s been dropped off the cliff
  • For Real by Alexis Hall
    • Seasoned sub who has just gotten out of a relationship with younger, brand new Dom
    • May/December M/M
  • A Notorious Vow by Joanna Shupe (check out our interview with Joanna!)
    • Gilded Age romance with a deaf hero
    • Jenny’s favorite of Shupe’s books!
  • For the Duke’s Eyes Only by Lenora Bell (check out our interview with Lenora!)
    • Lady Indy’s story
    • super strong feminist heroine who does not give a fuck
    • Enemies to lovers feel
    • James Bond meets Indiana Jones with a badass heroine
  • The Governess Game by Tessa Dare (check out our interview with Tessa!)
    • Jenny’s favorite Tessa Dare
    • funny, heartwarming, sexy, emotional, exsquisite
  • All Chained Up by Sophie Jordan (check out our interview with Sophie!)
    • Heroine is nurse volunteering at a prison where there’s a riot and they plan on harming the her. Hero gets himself beaten to get back into the infirmary to save her.
    • Sophie Jordan brand: batshit plot point (woman being auctioned as a wife in the town square, family curse, prison riot) as a meet cute that then forms into an authentic narrative.
    • Bonkers Alpha hero who fulfills the classic damsel in distress trope
  • Thirsty by Mia Hopkins
    • Ex con who gets out and is trying to live by the rules
    • Ends up living in garage of single mom heroine
  • Ransom by Julie Garwood

You can find Eva on Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook!

Ep. 46 Alexa Martin: Intercepted

We’re joined by debut author, Alexa Martin and special guest cohost, Maureen Lee Lenker! Alexa chats with us about her book, Intercepted, what it was like being a real life NFL wife, her love of reality TV, and much more!

You can find Alexa on Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook! Maureen is on Twitter and Instagram!

Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

Highlights from our conversation:

  • How her husband felt about her writing in his football world
  • How becoming an author is her reclaiming her identity outside of being a wife and mother
  • How #pitchwars ultimately led to her becoming a published author
  • What her revision process looked like and how it led to her getting an agent and a book deal
  • How she hasn’t fully embraced her identity as an author yet and is still battling self doubt
  • Her gateway drug into romance–Fifty Shades!
  • Her relationship with football and how she struggles with the dangers of CTE, the risks to players, and the issues of domestic violence and culture around the sport
  • Some of the downsides of being a professional football player, especially being a football family
  • Her own adorable romance story with her husband
  • Her love of reality TV and how that trickles into her writing
  • What she’s working on next
  • How there can be a target on your back when your husband plays football

Books mentioned in this episode:

Intercepted by Alexa Martin

Crossfire Series by Sylvia Day

Fifty Shades of Grey by E.L. James

Ep. 45 Kennedy Ryan: Block Shot

We’re joined by Kennedy Ryan, a Top 100 Amazon bestseller, to chat about her newest release, Block Shot. We also fan girl over our love of Long Shot and talk about her deeply involved research process for that book and what it taught her about survivors of domestic violence.
Ways to listen:
Listen on Google Play Music

To find out more about Kennedy, you can check out her website or follow her on Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter.

Highlights from our conversation include:

      • What inspired her to write something as dark and powerful as Long Shot
      • How she spoke to numerous survivors of domestic violence in an attempt to make the story as authentic as possible
      • All about her newest release, Block Shot, which is a standalone in the same world as Long Shot–it’s enemies to lovers between two competing sports agents!
      • Her other series that includes Flow, Grip, and Still
      • How sometimes the story or ideas just come to her and flow out of her
      • Her efforts to raise autism awareness and her foundation to support families living with autism

Books mentioned in this episode:

Block Shot by Kennedy Ryan

Long Shot by Kennedy Ryan

Grip by Kennedy Ryan

Flow by Kennedy Ryan

Still by Kennedy Ryan

Their Eyes Were Watching God by Zora Neale Hurston

Ep. 44 Helena Hunting: The Good Luck Charm

Our guest this week is New York Times bestselling author Helena Hunting. We chat about her latest release, The Good Luck Charm, what makes second chance romances so compelling, why she loves hockey romances, and so much more!
Ways to listen:

Listen on Google Play Music

To find out more about Helena, you can check out her website or follow her on Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter.

Highlights from our conversation include:

      • Her earliest exposure to romance (Sweet Valley followed by Flowers in the Attic)
      • How she thinks she’ll introduce her daughter to romance
      • Her experiences as a high school guidance counselor
      • How she started writing on maternity leave because her daughter wouldn’t sleep
      • Why taking a toddler to the grocery store is like shopping with a friend who’s on acid.
      • All about her newest book, The Good Luck Charm
      • Why hockey is awesome
      • Why she uses running to clear her head
      • Why Belle is kind of a bitch
      • What she’s writing next (finally!)
      • What she does for self care to get a break from her busy writing schedule

Books mentioned in this episode:

The Good Luck Charm by Helena Hunting

Flowers in the Attic by V.C. Andrews

Song of the Lioness by Tamora Pierce

Wicked Lovely Series by Melissa Maar

Twilight by Stepheni Meyer

Pucked Love by Helena Hunting

Pucked by Helena Hunting

Fall on Your Knees by Anne-Marie MacDonald

Fever Series by Karen Marie Moning

A Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah J. Maas